Guy Gavriel Kay speaks out against writing historical RPF.
I actually saw him give this talk several months ago at ICFA, and I meant to make a post about it, so this saves me having to reconstruct his argument from memory and then argue against it. I partially resent his kids-these-days rhetoric:
What is at work today is linked to a general erosion of the ethical value of privacy and a parallel emergence of a widespread sense of entitlement to look at – or to make use of – the lives of others.
Yes, yes, and children don't listen to their elders, and the Greeks are clogging up the Tiber. For God's sake, speculative biography is hardly a new genre. And yes, no doubt the internet and reality TV have changed the way we think about the individual, but he talks as though Facebook and Twitter and Myspace were only ways of looking at others, rather than ways of constructing oneself as a textual being in a new arena of communication. He fails to understand that people consciously make textual simulacra of themselves on these sites - they don't open up windows to their souls, even if they think they're doing that. They are not victims of technology. They join these sites, they volunteer what personal information they like, and they allow who they wish to see it. People use reality TV shows - with varying degrees of expertness, true - as ways to further their careers, and build their public image in a certain way, just as Ovid circulated his poems and Augustus his statues. This is an age of mass autobiography, not of the erosion of the privacy of the individual.
I also dislike his pretensions in claiming to be striking a blow for ETHICS in his books, when a nasty part of me wants to note that changing the names of the (very recognisable) characters in your historical fiction to make it fantasy is a nice dodge for avoiding the other annoyances of writing historical fiction, like research*, or (as he himself notes) avoiding offending people with your portrayal of national icons (especially as, with the life of El Cid, it's the national icon of a culture not his own). And I dislike that he's using his own books as a platform to trumpet his views about a modern phenomenon which I really don't think is comparable to writing books about the emperor Justinian and changing the names, actually.
*Although I should note that by all accounts, he does a lot of research, and I do enjoy his books.
My personal reactions aside, it's an interesting point he's raising, but I think the thing is that he has pulled together long-dead historical figures and people who have died within living memory as being ontologically the same. He writes about long-dead historical figures, and claims to be defending them by changing the names, but note that he doesn't protest against Mary Renault's Alexander books, or the TV series Rome, or I, Claudius - possibly because the latter is a rewrite of Tacitus, which might explode Kay's claim that the world has started falling since Facebook. He claims that Justinian and Eleanor of Aquitaine and El Cid are the same as people like Wittgenstein and Marilyn Monroe, people who are still remembered as real people by others who are alive today, who have living relatives. But, realistically, Monroe and Wittgenstein are dead; speculation on what they thought and how they acted is not going to hurt them, unless you believe in an aware afterlife, which isn't under discussion here. But it's true that fiction written about the recently-dead claiming to 'know' their real selves (if anyone really does that) has the potential to hurt the living who loved them and remember them. Whether or not writers should be allowed to do that is a different issue.
But for people who don't exist in any way now except in text - and history is text - what's the difference between writing stories about them, and fanfiction? I've long been fascinated by the way RPF and RPS, fanfiction about 'real people' (boybands, actors, even politicians), reads the public constructs of stars - their publicity photos, their interviews, their twitters - as texts to be plundered and expanded upon. Fandom knows, as Kay doesn't, that when people carry themselves a certain way in the public eye, when they tell their friends, subjects and biographers about themselves, when they have statues placed of themselves in the forum and write lawcodes, they're writing stories about themselves. And authors writing stories based in those pre-existing worlds, about those pre-created characters, is fanfiction. Perhaps he's against fanfiction too, I don't know. But the interesting thing about Kay's argument is that he puts his finger on where fanfiction and historical RPF and history start to blur into each other - if you take his argument to its logical conclusion, you also start to argue that it's unethical to write history about historical figures, because we can't claim to understand their motivations, and shouldn't try.
But by using motifs of time and history in a fantasy setting we are acknowledging that this educated guesswork, invention, fantasy underlie our treatment of the past and its peoples - and we are not claiming a right to do with them as we will.
When Peter Brown wrote his biography of St. Augustine, was he doing with him as he would? Perhaps historians should acknowledge their educated guesswork, invention and fantasy more clearly. That's a serious point, but again, I think Kay is being facetious in his conflation of the textual construct of a person with the real person. A book does not manipulate a person's physical being; it may alter and taint others' memories of them, but that's something different, and he has not made that distinction.
I also notice that Kay only cites major historical figures - El Cid, J Edgar Hoover, Marilyn Monroe, Wittgenstein. These are (even if you forget the enormous historical gap and the difference in the nature of the sources we have for these figures, as Kay seems to want to do) all people with voices. They can speak for themselves - people can go back and read what they wrote, or read reports about what they did and said. Writing stories about them doesn't change that. If Kay is really concerned about the invasion of privacy of people of the past, why doesn't he talk about the historical novels about people without speaking parts in history? What about Bagoas the eunuch, or Pullo and Vorenus, or the girl with the pearl earring? Kunta Kinte?
The Wikipedia article on 'Roots' sets the book/series' lack of historical truth against its social impact in modern America, and quotes Dr. Henry Louis Gates, Jr., "Most of us feel it's highly unlikely that Alex actually found the village whence his ancestors sprang. Roots is a work of the imagination rather than strict historical scholarship. It was an important event because it captured everyone's imagination."
There are ways of doing history that involve more leaps of the imagination than others, and they end up on the fiction shelves, but I don't think they're any less valuable. Perhaps it is entitlement to think one can write the story of a person who lived centuries ago, worked as a cleaner or a prostitute or a common soldier, and died; but there's a value in it, too. If we're talking about respect for the dead, isn't that a fitting memorial? If we're talking about the value of these stories for the living, isn't it important to help people find a way into history through ordinary lives that remind us that there were real people in the past? That the history of western Europe isn't a sea of dead white men?
It's also worth noting that on the social networking sites that Kay dislikes so much, people who haven't had voices in the past, who haven't been able to write their own biographies, are doing so. Sure, it's threatening to suddenly be faced with people claiming the right to write their own stories, when previously the subgroups of the silent majority could be written about with impunity. And it should make us think twice about what, exactly, we're doing when we write other people's stories for them and claim their authority. But Kay's problem seems to be based on the belief that to write the history of a long, long-dead person is to affect them in some fundamental way; to do something to them. But those long-dead people he's talking about, all of whom left writings or writings about themselves, they were all intelligent, powerful people who manipulated their own press, maybe with more skill than people on Facebook, but it's basically the same. They knew what they were doing. We don't have access to their real selves, but only the stories they wrote about themselves. I'm a fan and a historian, and I don't see any problem with writing stories about their stories. I do see problems with writing stories about people who are alive today, or who just died and whose families are alive, or who are national icons and are important to people, but those are for other reasons, and Kay doesn't mention those things as part of his argument.
The questions I think we should be asking aren't whether it's the same thing to write a story about Julius Caesar or Princess Diana. I think it's fairly clear that it isn't. What we should be asking is, to what extent is academic history different from historical RPF? If we changed the names and added an extra moon in the sky as Kay does, would it be fantasy, and if so, should we acknowledge that? Is it morally right to write the stories of long-dead people who didn't get the chance to write their own? Is it morally right to not?
Sunday, August 23, 2009
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I haven't re-read his speech, but I found it thought-provoking at the time, even though I didn't agree with all of it. I've thought about things like this before -- based partly on a different essay of Kay's; the link's in that post -- and I do think there are moral/ethical/philosophical issues in writing about real people.
You've hit the nail on the head, though, with the distinction between living and recently-dead people, versus those from the more distant past. People sometimes get outraged if you seem to violate their constructed notion of a major historical figure -- I believe Shekar Kapur said he caught major flak for showing Elizabeth I having a sexual relationship, i.e. not being a virgin -- but that doesn't bother me personally as much as doing the same to someone remembered by living people.
Where I think I agree with him, though, is that I don't feel being a public figure of some kind makes you (or should make you) fair game for all kinds of textual play. IIRC, Gillian Anderson was deeply weirded out by the people who were writing, not just X-Files fic about Scully, but RPF about her as a real person. And I don't think that acting on a TV show should mean your personal identity likewise becomes text for fans to muck with. That can have very real and very unpleasant consequences.
So I guess my personal position is that RPF is okay so long as it's historical (hell, it better be; my Onyx Court books are chock-full of real people), but I'm not sure where exactly in time I draw the line dividing okay from not-okay.
What is the difference between writing a historical fiction based on a living person and the very act of interpreting the people you interact with, of seeing them as more-or-less coherent wholes, of creating narratives of their lives and performing the sort of closure required for them to be comprehensible?
Chris -- What's the difference? It's generally frowned upon in daily life to interpret the people you interact with in ways that are blatantly counterfactual. Not all fictions are based on the principle of closure.
Maybe! It might depend on what we mean by closure.
It's not particularly frowned upon to tell fictions that are framed as fictions about people one knows. "Could you imagine what it would be like if so and so were president? They'd be trying to pass such and such a law, their press conferences would be all, etc., etc." It's a method of analyzing and making cohere -- of making a stab at some sort of closure -- to what a person is "really like", by imagining how they'd react in a counter-factual situation. It doesn't have to be people one knows: every talking head who talks about what Obama would or wouldn't do if there were another terrorist attack on US soil is engaging in RPF. So what are the lines that need to be crossed in order for this necessary and human method of understanding one another to become "not OK"? (Or the fiction might be used to try to understand something other than the real people themselves, but the social (etc.) forces around them.)
Of course, there is also fiction that uses the name of a celebrity as something of a placeholder.
Well, you didn't originally talk about fictions in daily life; you talked about ordinary interpretation for the purpose of creating psychological coherence.
When it comes to the kind of speculation you're describing, my own opinion is that the dividing line falls sort of along the fiction/nonfiction boundary. Are you trying to be realistic in your extrapolation of Obama's actions, or your friend's? Then I think of it as nonfictional speculation, and I'm not bothered by it. But if you're a Fox News commentator talking about how Obama wants another terrorist attack so he can ram his communo-fascio-sociali-Nazi agenda down the throat of America . . . then not only is your scenario speculative, so is everything you're deriving from it. And you're walking very close to, if not over, the border of slander/libel. At that point, the extent to which I'm bothered depends on the extent to which that individual could be defamed by the fictional speculation.
Basically, if you want to talk truthfully about a real person, I say go ahead. If you want to make up something that has very little to do with that person's reality, then I find a much-increased potential for skeeviness.
Well, you didn't originally talk about fictions in daily life; you talked about ordinary interpretation for the purpose of creating psychological coherence.
Oh, no, I'm saying I can't really see a distinction between the two. (Though I can distinguish between fictions that seem plausible to me and ones that seem outrageous, of course!) A reasonably coherent psychological understanding of someone is, I think, a fiction, as are our reasonably coherent psychological understandings of ourselves. It is nice when we can get others to agree with our fictions about them, however!
What is the difference between writing a historical fiction based on a living person and the very act of interpreting the people you interact with, of seeing them as more-or-less coherent wholes, of creating narratives of their lives and performing the sort of closure required for them to be comprehensible?
One of them is materially extant, Googleable, decontextualizable and transmissible in ways that the other isn't, and in ways which have real consequences. For example, the first might result in the living person coming across depictions of themselves that they find painful or traumatic to read; the second is less likely to (in the everyday acts of psychological narrativization you're talking about, it would usually be considered rude, intrusive or unpleasant to, eg, embark on a lengthy and explicit description of how you imagine the person you're talking to would have sex.) Yes, there are similarities and overlaps: there are also differences.
(Great post, by the way, A.)
I wasn't, by the way, asking the question of "what's the difference" to suggest that there is no difference, but to try to clarify what the differences might be.
That said -- well, I Am Weird about this sort of thing, but in many ways I'd be less bothered by something that was clearly marked as fiction getting published "about" me that I would be (and am) by the sheer fact that people think (and talk) about me when I'm not around, which I find somewhat creepy even though of course I do it about other people when they're not there and of course there's really no getting around it now is there. But still, it causes me some sort of primal shudder.
But fictional me is marked as fiction and therefore whatever you say about me obvious isn't legit (although of course there is often slippage between the fictional and the nonfictional representations -- the J. Lo on South Park or the Queen from the Kids in the Hall bleeds into how we think about J. Lo or the Queen -- not that these are "real people" to us the way our friends and coworkers are), whereas your mental-conception-of-me is so much more tied to the "real me", it after all is the "real me" to you when I'm not there, and there you are, drawing conclusions on it (imagining my sex life from it, or imagining its sex life?) when I can't do anything about it, when I don't even know it's happening: It is creepy! Stop it! Gah.
But, again, oh well, that sort of thing seems doomed to happen. Still I find it creepy and upsetting.
Anyway, hopefully I haven't been too much of a jerk here; you've both made good points, and I want to acknowledge that and thank you for it, while trying to articulate why I feel the situation is murkier than you paint it.
No, not a jerk at all - that's interesting, and I'm going to think about it more.
I have thought more about it! And if you are still around, Chris, I wonder whether one of the ways to think about difference would be in terms of performativity, or enunciation. So presumably everyone who interacts with me is forming a coherent narrative of identity in order to make sense of me, and coming up with opinions about me - but when they articulate them, that becomes a speech act, which has a particular force and set of consequences. It's very different, say, for one my students to think I'm a wanker and to call me a wanker, either to my face or in a public context (in the student paper, on a blog, in a radio interview...). Ignoring laws about libel and slander for the moment, and just thinking about how the act of making a public statement about someone differs from the act of making them up in your head, it seems to me that writing and publishing RPF seems to me to fall somewhere between the two, maybe?
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